This wasn't the frame I was originally constructed with. My original one looked much more like yours, one of the standard Cold templates used for Seekers during that era.
[ He'd had modification done even back then, wherever he could find funds and means to do so. Trying to make himself "fit" into a frame that was bland, and boring, and generic. It had felt wrong. In Vos, such modifications were not prohibited the way they were in other parts of Cybertron, where jets and shuttles were just meant to be accessories for industry and military. In Vos they'd clawed back some semblance of autonomy. ]
It makes sense that you wouldn't have a Citadel, if the Winglord position had been so thoroughly voided under Senate rule. The military academy was in the Vector district, which was also later where Air Command was built. My Vos was organized mostly by motif, grouping sections of the city together more cohesively. But you're right that our sciences were never on par with those in Iacon.
Our academy was not restricted by Vosian citizenship, although most wanted to become citizens because of the protections it offered fliers.
This is my original frame, but... I don't know. I didn't meet very many of the same frame at first. Just played around with pronouns for a while, and then did mostly internal modifications here and there...
[ It's all said in a distracted tone, wings flicking idly as he continues to examine the top-down view.
There's a small scoff at the 'most' there. ] I didn't. The Kalisians didn't.
Anyway. The districts do seem roughly the same... Though, I say that tentatively. I'm not from Vos, so I wouldn't slagging know for sure.
[ Starscream's optics narrow slightly at the scoff. ]
I wasn't speaking for your world, I'm saying it was true in mine.
[ He takes a drink, rather than indulge something more catty. ]
I can compile a more in-depth file on my Vos for your project, I'd you'd like. It won't be exactly the same as what ends up being rebuilt, but I will keep the parts that worked best.
[ Well, that’s certainly enough feeling at the edges of it, then. Time to just say it, and say it bluntly. ]
I was built in Iacon. Much of what I know about Vos is very much an outsider looking in. And all that entails.
[ Fighting for every scrap of culture that should have been his in the first place, kept from him by just about everyone. An Iacon Seeker would be second class in Vos, and everything else was Iacon itself’s fault. ]
…That would be helpful, thank you. I can write up a compare and contrast on the two, perhaps.
[ Starscream wouldn't say that those who'd come online in cities other than Vos were treated the same as Vosia-sparked mechs in every sense — legally they would have had the same rights, but socially there might have been some tension, depending on how readily someone wanted to assimilate to Vosian culture.
He nods at the thanks, and makes a note to put together said file later. But for the moment he ventures no further information, not knowing what his counterpart is after for topic. ]
[ Oh, that's a weird feeling. It's been weird enough, weighing 'thank you's in his mouth this past while, but- Getting a response in return from this mech... Strange.
But at least the admittance had served its purpose, in a sense. To gauge what his counterpart's reaction would be to them coming from different places. He's certainly got a bit of that Vosnian superiority around him- Something that Starscream will never say out loud to him.
Maybe it'll need a bit more of feeling things out. ] ...There's a lot more Seekers aboard than you'd think. Than they'd think, unfortunately. This text is going to get a lot of use.
[ Starscream has many, many reasons to encounter friction with his counterpart — the fact that he is Iaconian-made rather than Vosian is very low on that list. ]
What do you mean, more Seekers than they'd think? They are either a Seeker, or they are not. It isn't something you can opt into.
[ He stifles the urge to roll his optics. Unfortunately this isn't the first time he's heard words like this, and usually not from people he ended up liking. ]
'Seeker' encompasses a lot more than just a couple frame types. Course, they used EVERY variation possible in our anatomy to other us, and bar everyone who COULD have laid claim to our culture but those few...
They might not have all the variations. But they still deserve to have the choice.
Yes... a Seeker can be of any number of aerial frame types. Cold Constructed were almost exclusively jets, because we were built for military use, but in Forged Seekers the variations are much more pronounced.
I am not following your logic. Seekers have trine cores. Other flight types do not. How is that anything other than a binary result?
The Seekers I know of have a combination of a specific type of social instincts - which of course vary from mech to mech, but are still very Seeker - a more pronounced response to restriction of flight, vocal structure somewhat more suited to 'Vosnian' than typical cybex... Again, all of which have been used to classify us to death. [ His words end in a sharp hiss; he has had it up to here with such things, killing the greys of their culture by painting it in blacks and whites. ]
[ He taps his own side, underneath his lateral vents, approximately where a human kidney would be. ]
Most of those behaviours you describe are true, but the trine core is— [ Medical, stick to the medical. ] —what dictates many those behaviours and effects, as well as providing the resonancy between trined mechs. Your frame doesn't have one?
[ This wasn't something that Starscream had considered, but then he hadn't looked at any of the medical records for the other Seekers on board, except for Acid Storm, and even then he'd only been looking for information on her condition, not her frame specs. ]
I'm not claiming that the information being assembled here should be restricted. I... had not realized Seekers in other worlds were biologically different.
No. Fragging pits, if it had all been dictated by an organ, the Senate would have just started tearing it out of us and damn the consequences. [ His wings flare, somewhat defensively.
He doesn't like the thought. Of having so much of it biologically encoded - did this Starscream's world have Seekers HAVE to get a trine? - or of how the mere existence of such a thing could open up new worlds of cultural and generational trauma. They'd already suffered so much. ]
Seekers where I am from are biologically different from other mechs in some ways, yes, but not- Not to that extent.
No... they commissioned us built with them, the Colds. Because the flight capability benefits that a trined fighter gets empirically outweighed the social and psychological eccentricities it caused.
Cold Constructed were often looked down on by Forged Seekers, even though by my era we held the same standing by law. That hadn't always been the case. One of the few things Solarburn did correctly.
[ Starscream's wings are carefully still in intentional contrast to the other's sudden surge of emotional reaction. ]
I would not have mentioned it, had I known it would upset you.
[ He brings the flare of his wings back in at that, standing straighter. Drawing the display into something controlled; he used to be better at this, he swears. But he takes a vent, and shakes his head. ]
Well. At least that's the same where I'm from. Cold and forged... A stupid, stupid split.
...It's just a little alarming. I think there were mechs they would have removed it from back home, and done so in quite large swathes. [ He thinks of Skyfire. Tries not to think of Skyfire. ]
I also rather like the fact I didn't have to trine except on my own terms. Thousands of years after any 'good' Seeker would have, for that matter. [ There's a bitter grin, soon shaken off. ] Still managed to get a traditionally sturdy one. Hah.
[ sharply: ] Don't imply I trined on baser instincts rather than by my own choice. A trine core is not an all-consuming replacement for sense, it is simply a component of other systems.
[ A beat, and his EM field eases from where it'd grown prickly in an instant. He didn't like the implication, whether it had been intended or not, that he had somehow settled for trining with Skywarp and Thundercracker to sate some biological need. He would not have his counterpart thinking that Seekers of his universe were the equivalent of organics in heat or whatever disgusting allegory it conjured up. ]
[ There's a soft noise that more or less comes across as an 'okay', and Starscream ruffles his wings almost uncomfortably. ]
...I'll get used to the idea. [ That's probably as good as his counterpart is going to get.
He scribbles it all down anyway, crossing one leg over the other before slipping the end of the stylus into his mouth. There's a hum, and a frown. Very much a mech lost in thought. ]
...I should ask Ratchet to check if there's any biological differences between me and the Seekers he usually works on. Other than the obvious. This is a whole new can of worms. [ Starscream groans, rubbing his face a bit. ]
How many of the Seekers from his own universe has he actually worked on? I have not gotten the sense from Acid Storm that there were any Autobot Seekers, although I've not asked her such directly.
[ This Starscream hasn't interacted with the small Ratchet that much (although, it's the Ratchet he's had the most interaction with, out of the assembled Ratchets aboard the R2). ]
There was; he's dead. All the Rainmaker trine are gone.
…What were the names of his trinemates? [ His voice is a little softer, a little more lost. It may be another difference he’s charting, but it’s one that hurts.
And it’s not one to be recorded. The stylus remains tucked in the corner of Starscream’s mouth, only there to be worried at. ]
The Sunstorm I knew never trined so far as I'm aware of, but... I can't say that surprises me. The one here is much more—
[ Starscream's mouth pulls wryly, judicious. ]
—temperate. Acid Storm... she's not much like the one I knew, save name and colour.
[ And her propensity for gathering data, which Starscream purposely chose not to highlight to his counterpart. ]
Slipstream... she's similar in personality to the one I knew. I don't know what became of the one in my universe. The last fleet information we had on her was from Junkion. None of the returned ships have her confirmed as offline, but...
[ But it's been almost three centuries, and a lot of Decepticon ships — even the ones far flung during the war — have returned, and none bear news of his former captain. ]
He wasn’t trined. They just… He was their charge. A replacement. They’d held onto the trine name, but Nova had been integral for their role, and when Sunstorm was created- [ His voice catches for a second, but he stubbornly ignores it. ] Well. His abilities filled that role perfectly.
…No, she’s not like him at all, is she.
As for Slipstream… [ Starscream’s face twists for a brief moment, upset. He has no idea that she will come back to his side yet. Not here, not now. ] If she does exist where I’m from, I haven’t met her. Perhaps for the best.
[ The topic is straying too near the personal now, less easy to assess as academic; he hasn't missed that his counterpart isn't scribing a lot of this either. He tries to course correct. ]
I will add a brief overview of the more prominent trines to the files I send you later, as well as my captains and sub-commanders during the war.
[ It will be factual and without implied attachments. Safe. Impartial. It will still hurt. ]
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[ He'd had modification done even back then, wherever he could find funds and means to do so. Trying to make himself "fit" into a frame that was bland, and boring, and generic. It had felt wrong. In Vos, such modifications were not prohibited the way they were in other parts of Cybertron, where jets and shuttles were just meant to be accessories for industry and military. In Vos they'd clawed back some semblance of autonomy. ]
It makes sense that you wouldn't have a Citadel, if the Winglord position had been so thoroughly voided under Senate rule. The military academy was in the Vector district, which was also later where Air Command was built. My Vos was organized mostly by motif, grouping sections of the city together more cohesively. But you're right that our sciences were never on par with those in Iacon.
Our academy was not restricted by Vosian citizenship, although most wanted to become citizens because of the protections it offered fliers.
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[ It's all said in a distracted tone, wings flicking idly as he continues to examine the top-down view.
There's a small scoff at the 'most' there. ] I didn't. The Kalisians didn't.
Anyway. The districts do seem roughly the same... Though, I say that tentatively. I'm not from Vos, so I wouldn't slagging know for sure.
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I wasn't speaking for your world, I'm saying it was true in mine.
[ He takes a drink, rather than indulge something more catty. ]
I can compile a more in-depth file on my Vos for your project, I'd you'd like. It won't be exactly the same as what ends up being rebuilt, but I will keep the parts that worked best.
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I was built in Iacon. Much of what I know about Vos is very much an outsider looking in. And all that entails.
[ Fighting for every scrap of culture that should have been his in the first place, kept from him by just about everyone. An Iacon Seeker would be second class in Vos, and everything else was Iacon itself’s fault. ]
…That would be helpful, thank you. I can write up a compare and contrast on the two, perhaps.
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He nods at the thanks, and makes a note to put together said file later. But for the moment he ventures no further information, not knowing what his counterpart is after for topic. ]
You're welcome.
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But at least the admittance had served its purpose, in a sense. To gauge what his counterpart's reaction would be to them coming from different places. He's certainly got a bit of that Vosnian superiority around him- Something that Starscream will never say out loud to him.
Maybe it'll need a bit more of feeling things out. ] ...There's a lot more Seekers aboard than you'd think. Than they'd think, unfortunately. This text is going to get a lot of use.
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What do you mean, more Seekers than they'd think? They are either a Seeker, or they are not. It isn't something you can opt into.
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'Seeker' encompasses a lot more than just a couple frame types. Course, they used EVERY variation possible in our anatomy to other us, and bar everyone who COULD have laid claim to our culture but those few...
They might not have all the variations. But they still deserve to have the choice.
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I am not following your logic. Seekers have trine cores. Other flight types do not. How is that anything other than a binary result?
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The Seekers I know of have a combination of a specific type of social instincts - which of course vary from mech to mech, but are still very Seeker - a more pronounced response to restriction of flight, vocal structure somewhat more suited to 'Vosnian' than typical cybex... Again, all of which have been used to classify us to death. [ His words end in a sharp hiss; he has had it up to here with such things, killing the greys of their culture by painting it in blacks and whites. ]
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[ He taps his own side, underneath his lateral vents, approximately where a human kidney would be. ]
Most of those behaviours you describe are true, but the trine core is— [ Medical, stick to the medical. ] —what dictates many those behaviours and effects, as well as providing the resonancy between trined mechs. Your frame doesn't have one?
[ This wasn't something that Starscream had considered, but then he hadn't looked at any of the medical records for the other Seekers on board, except for Acid Storm, and even then he'd only been looking for information on her condition, not her frame specs. ]
I'm not claiming that the information being assembled here should be restricted. I... had not realized Seekers in other worlds were biologically different.
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He doesn't like the thought. Of having so much of it biologically encoded - did this Starscream's world have Seekers HAVE to get a trine? - or of how the mere existence of such a thing could open up new worlds of cultural and generational trauma. They'd already suffered so much. ]
Seekers where I am from are biologically different from other mechs in some ways, yes, but not- Not to that extent.
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Cold Constructed were often looked down on by Forged Seekers, even though by my era we held the same standing by law. That hadn't always been the case. One of the few things Solarburn did correctly.
[ Starscream's wings are carefully still in intentional contrast to the other's sudden surge of emotional reaction. ]
I would not have mentioned it, had I known it would upset you.
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Well. At least that's the same where I'm from. Cold and forged... A stupid, stupid split.
...It's just a little alarming. I think there were mechs they would have removed it from back home, and done so in quite large swathes. [ He thinks of Skyfire. Tries not to think of Skyfire. ]
I also rather like the fact I didn't have to trine except on my own terms. Thousands of years after any 'good' Seeker would have, for that matter. [ There's a bitter grin, soon shaken off. ] Still managed to get a traditionally sturdy one. Hah.
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[ A beat, and his EM field eases from where it'd grown prickly in an instant. He didn't like the implication, whether it had been intended or not, that he had somehow settled for trining with Skywarp and Thundercracker to sate some biological need. He would not have his counterpart thinking that Seekers of his universe were the equivalent of organics in heat or whatever disgusting allegory it conjured up. ]
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...I'll get used to the idea. [ That's probably as good as his counterpart is going to get.
He scribbles it all down anyway, crossing one leg over the other before slipping the end of the stylus into his mouth. There's a hum, and a frown. Very much a mech lost in thought. ]
...I should ask Ratchet to check if there's any biological differences between me and the Seekers he usually works on. Other than the obvious. This is a whole new can of worms. [ Starscream groans, rubbing his face a bit. ]
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How many of the Seekers from his own universe has he actually worked on? I have not gotten the sense from Acid Storm that there were any Autobot Seekers, although I've not asked her such directly.
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[ There's a brief look that passes across his face at Acid Storm's mention regardless. The question asked next... Perhaps it is more personal. ]
Is there an Acid Storm where you are from?
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There was; he's dead. All the Rainmaker trine are gone.
[ So many of his Seekers are gone... ]
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And it’s not one to be recorded. The stylus remains tucked in the corner of Starscream’s mouth, only there to be worried at. ]
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[ The silver one's tone, by contrast, is carefully detached. Not uncaring but with the same distance he speaks of his own trine in past tense. ]
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…It’s funny. Even their names change. [ Starscream sighs. ]
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[ Starscream's mouth pulls wryly, judicious. ]
—temperate. Acid Storm... she's not much like the one I knew, save name and colour.
[ And her propensity for gathering data, which Starscream purposely chose not to highlight to his counterpart. ]
Slipstream... she's similar in personality to the one I knew. I don't know what became of the one in my universe. The last fleet information we had on her was from Junkion. None of the returned ships have her confirmed as offline, but...
[ But it's been almost three centuries, and a lot of Decepticon ships — even the ones far flung during the war — have returned, and none bear news of his former captain. ]
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…No, she’s not like him at all, is she.
As for Slipstream… [ Starscream’s face twists for a brief moment, upset. He has no idea that she will come back to his side yet. Not here, not now. ] If she does exist where I’m from, I haven’t met her. Perhaps for the best.
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I will add a brief overview of the more prominent trines to the files I send you later, as well as my captains and sub-commanders during the war.
[ It will be factual and without implied attachments. Safe. Impartial. It will still hurt. ]
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